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As we've gone into this final season and you've introduced new characters like Dogen and Lennon and the other Temple people, and new mysteries, there have been some people who've said, "Okay, they don't have to answer all the old mysteries if they don't want to, but it's not fair for them to keep introducing lots of new ones at this late date." How do you respond to that?

DL: Are there any readers who actually like the show?

Many readers like the show. I like the show. But these questions are out there.

CC: We feel that we as storytellers, basically can only approach the storytelling the way that we do, which is it felt like there was no way that we could just be answering existing questions without the show feeling didactic. There would have been no larger narrative motor. For the show to devolve into running through a checklist of answers, we would have been, honestly, crucified for that version of the show. It's ironic that the episode that's generating so much controversy is one in which we answered questions, but it's not surprising to us. Between what the audience thinks they want and what they will find entertaining - we have tried ot make the show in a way that people would find it entertaining, moving engaging. To do that required having new mysteries. That's the way we operated.

Getting back to Adam and Eve for a second, can you talk me through the thought process of including that flashback to "House of the Rising Sun." Was there ever a thought of not having it in there and hoping the viewer could fill in the blanks, or did you just feel that the skeletons were too obscure a mystery to not have that extra context?

DL: The reason that we put it in certainly wasn't because we thought it was too obscure and we wanted to hit people over the heads with it. It was more a matter of, here's an episode where our characters don't appear in it at all, and we wanted to make it clear to the audience that this little family drama, this dysfunctional relationship between these three people is really responsible for everything that's happening to the passengers of Oceanic 815. We wanted to illustrate that by, at the very end of the show saying, "Oh, right, Jack and Kate and Locke are affected by the fact that Mother decided to raise her kids this way, and Jacob ended up bringing these people to the island." The idea was to say that this chapter of the series is significant to the story we've been telling you, and that the series is about the survivors of Oceanic 815. To have an episode that they did not appear in at all was never our intention.

CC: We also liked the juxtaposition of what those characters were like in "House of the Rising Sun" versus where they are now. We felt it was interesting for the audience to see the growth, the change, the evolution, the degree to which these characters had been affected by their time on the island. And we felt that the most effective way to do that was to recontextualize the Adam and Eve discovery by replaying that scene. It really provided a contrast that shows you how these characters have evolved.

The sideways universe, it seems as if those stories have also been used to illustrate that point. We see a Jack who hasn't been through everything on the island, a Locke who behaves differently, other characters reverting to a season one mode. Was that by design?

DL: Everything is by design. Unfortunately, when you ask that question, if you're not a believer, you say, "They're making it up as they go along," and if you are a believer, you say, "It's all part of a design." It's lose-lose for us, because you think we're just lying if we say everything was by design. I do feel that hopefully the conversation about the sideways will be a different conversation when the series is over than it is now. We knew going into it that the sideways would be a very polarizing form of storytelling.. But as Carlton reiterated earlier, we're doing our best version of ours how. We understand that you can't please all the people all the time, that's the kind of show that "Lost" is. If we tried to please all the people all the time, it's an impossible task. We loved "The Sopranos" ending. It was actually shocking to us the next morning when people were going, "It's a cop-out."' We're looking at it as the best, most poetic thing that we've ever seen on television, and other people were calling it a cop-out, and we got into these very impassioned arguments about it. The fact that he could make a creative choice like that that would create that sort of debate, I'm sure it wasn't his intention to create a debate. He was just doing what he wanted to do - what he felt was right for his show. We're doing the same. Whether or not what we're doing is in the best interests of our show is a matter of debate, and there's no way that we can enter into the debate, because were' the ones who did it. We could say, "Yes, this was great!" And the fans would say that we jumped the shark. I love the idea that some fans are literally saying we jumped the shark last night! 119 hours in! We finally jumped the shark! So good! You guys are going to spare yourselves the agita of the final three hours of the show.

And I should say I was not challenging the whole plan/not-plan issue with that question. What I meant was, was one of the purposes of the sideways a chance to, before we get to the end, revisit these characters in a state similar to how they were before the plane crashed?

CC: The anser to that quesiton is yes. We wanted there to be a symmetry to the show from the first season to the last season. In the first season, the show was very character-centric, and one of the great revelations was discovering who these people were. It's revelatory when you learn Kate is a fugitive and Sawyer's a con man and Hurley's a lottery winner. We wanted to have that same sense of revelation be a part of the final season. We wanted to bring the show back around to the characters and give a sense of this journey kind of coming full circle. We felt the sideways were a good narrative device to do that. You'll see in the end how the narrative closes. It's always how we saw the show working out, and we stand by it.

You've talked about the idea that you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, and you can't please everybody. But how much of a sense of responsibility do you feel you have - that the ending has - to the legacy of the show? There are some people who say, "Oh, if I don't like the ending, this has all been a big waste of time," and others who say they still will enjoy what they watched until then, and then others who say that if you don't stick the landing, they're never going to watch another show like "Lost" for fear of being strung along again.

DL: There are people who are in relationships with loved ones and then that relationship ends horribly and they say I'm never going to fall in love again. Diferent people are going to have different reactions. There are shows like "Seinfeld" where one guy says the "Seinfeld" finale wasn't a great finale, but it doesn't make it not be a great series, because it's a sitcom. "Battlestar" was one where the vocal fanbase said the finale affected in hindsight their entire experience of the show. But other people who said they loved the finale, and it made the series better for them. But because they chose to end their own show, we are opening ourselves up to the fact that an inordinate amoung of attention will be paid to the finale itself. The day after the finale ends, and the month after the finale ends, all anyone is going to be talking about is the finale. But hopefully a year or two or three or five years down the line, people are talking about the series as a whole. And certainly, that perception will be colored by whether or not they liked the finale, and newbies may be less likely to try the show if the zeitgeist says, "The last episode of 'Lost' was so bad that it made every episode that preceded it terrible." That's going to have an affect, but who are we to say what people are going to think?

Okay, finally, I have to ask, simply because it's been driving me nuts for a year and a half: what's going on with showing the other half of the outrigger shootout?

CC: The outrigger shootout is not something we're bending around in gyrations so we can solve it. In the grand scheme of the show, that is a fairly obscure piece of the show. It is your particular obsession...

DL: ...and you're not alone in it.

CC: You're not alone in it. And yes, it would have been great if we had had the opportunity to close the time loop. But you can't get everything done and keeping the narrative going in a straight line. This is one of those things where we made a very conscious choice to ask, "What are the big questions? And most importantly, what are the paths of these characters? Where do they lead?" And we followed those paths and tried not to trip ourselves up getting too diverted from that. We felt that that's the thing that's ultimately going to make the finale work or not work. We got to the point where we made the finale we wanted to make, that was our approach, and I think it was the only approach we could take. We sat here in my office, had breakfast every day for six years, talked about the show, and we used this gut check methodology, where if we both loved something and thought it was cool, that would go in. We applied that same methodology to the finale, and that was the only way we could do it. We came up with a finale that we thought was cool, that was emotional and one we really liked. That's the best we could do.

DL: When we wrote that scene and somebody started shooting at them, we knew exactly who was shooting at them. That is not a dangling thread that we don't know the answer to. That being said, as we started talking about paying that off this season, it felt like the episode was at the service of closing the time loop, as opposed to what the characters might actually be doing in that scenario. It never felt organic. We decided we would rather take our lumps from the people who couldn't scratch that itch than to produce an episode that was in service of putting people in an outrigger and getting shot at.

You put people in a lot of outriggers this season. It feels, frankly, like you're taunting me.

DL: We can't entirely deny that we're taunting you.

CC: Honestly, though, the logistics of getting all the participants in the outriggers in the configuration that was on the A-side of the time loop was actually really daunting.

DL: Considering half of them had been killed off

CC: It's not like we didn't want to do it. Like Damon says, it was just too much of a narrative deviation to do it.

“There are no archetypes here. Even though we’re roughly configured into these black and white characters, the line between good and evil is blurred and we both cross over sometimes. If you think Jacob is a heroic character…it’s his temper, his need for revenge that creates the Smoke Monster. Jacob has a long way to go from that episode in 43 AD to the present. He travels a long distance, and he does it alone because he lost his family in one fell swoop. How terribly lonely.”

"Il n'y a pas d'idéal ici. Même si nous sommes à peu près configuré dans ces personnages en noir et blanc, la ligne entre le bien et le mal est floue et nous l'avons parfois tous les deux traversé. Si vous pensez que Jacob est un personnage héroïque ... C'est son caractère, son besoin de vengeance qui créé le monstre de fumée.
Jacob a un long chemin à parcourir à partir de cet épisode en 43 après J.-C. jusqu'à nos jours. Il parcourt une longue distance, et il le fait seul parce qu'il a perdu toute sa famille d'un seul coup. Comme un terrible solitaire."

Well, I just got back a little bit ago from Lost Live. It was awesome!
Overall there were about 20 actors there, plus Damon and Carlton, the writers and Jack Bender.
The orchestra set was great and it was a perfect exclamation point on the series to hear the music performed live.



The penultimate episode was shown in it’s entirety and I thought it was great; one of the best of the season so far.
Here’s the spoilery stuff:



Sideways Jack wakes up with the familiar blood stain on his neck and goes to eat breakfast with David.
David makes sure Jack is going to his concert that night and Jack says he would be and inquires if David’s mom will be there.
Jack gets contacted by Oceanic telling him his father’s casket was located, but it turns out it’s actually Desmond on the phone.
On the island, Jack patches up Kate’s shoulder and Kate laments that Locke killed Jin and Sun and that they have a daughter, one that Jin will now never see.
Kate says that they have to kill Locke and Jack agrees.
Jack says that if Locke wants Desmond, they need to get to him first and they (Kate, Jack, Hurley and Sawyer) head off to the well to retrieve him.
In sideways world, Desmond watches from his car as Locke gets out of his van; his first day back at school after being run down.
In a similar situation Des starts the car and seems poised to run Locke down again until Ben interrupts him and stops him.
Des gets out and says he wasn’t trying to hurt Locke, but help him. Ben asks how and Des starts punching him; at which time Ben begins to have flashes of his “other” life.
On the mend in the nurses office, Locke arrives to check on Ben and Ben tells him the story as Locke calls the police.
Ben stops him and says that he believes Desmond when he said he was trying to help. Alex meets up with Ben outside the school and invites to drive him home with her mom.
At first Ben declines, but then a “cleaned up and non crazy” Rousseau insists. Back at their house after dinner, Ben asks Danielle what happened to Alex’s father.
She says he died when she was 2 and muses that is why Alex has taken to Ben so much; he has an interest in her and believes in her and is the father she never had.
Ben gets misty from hearing this.



Back on the island, Richard, Miles and Ben are heading to Ben’s house to get his stash of C4 to blow up the plane.
While there, Zoe and Widmore arrive. Widmore explains that after the freighter was blown up, Jacob visited him and explained what he must do.
Widmore orders Zoe to go sink their boat and she leaves. Widmore explains that he brought Desmond to the island because of his immunity to electromagnetism.
Zoe calls up on the walkie explaining that Locke has arrived on the island.
Widmore orders her to return and when she is on her way Widmore says they all need to hide in Ben’s closet.
Miles leaves on his own while Ben and Richard decide to confront Locke; thinking they can either buy time or get him to leave.
With Widmore and Zoe in the closet walk outside. The black smoke slams into Richard and tosses him into the woods.
Ben sits and Locke approaches and says that there are some people he’d like Ben to kill and in exchange, Ben can have control of the island after Locke leaves.
Ben accepts and tells him that Widmore and Zoe are in his closet.
Locke promptly slices Zoe’s throat and tells Widmore that if he tells him what he wants to know he won’t kill penny when he leaves the island.
At first Widmore doesn’t seem to trust him, but relents and tells him of Desmond. When Locke asks why Desmond, Widmore doesn’t want Ben to hear.
Ben turns around and he whispers inaudibly into Locke’s ear.
Suddenly Widmore is shot numerous times by Ben, with Ben explaining that he (Widmore) “Shouldn’t have the opportunity to save his daughter” and then asks Locke if there are others he wants him to kill.



In the woods, young Jacob appears to Hurley and demands his ashes from Hurley.
He takes them and runs away and Hurley gives chase, and comes upon adult Jacob in the woods around a campfire.
Hurley brings Jack, Kate and Sawyer to Jacob, who they can now see and communicate with. Jacob explains that he made a mistake when his actions made his brother into the smoke monster and he knew that eventually he’d find a way to kill him; so the candidates have been his preparations for his eventual demise.
And that protecting the island is what the others “have all died for.”
He says that he must have a successor before the fire burns out; once it does, he is gone for good and “it would be very bad” if there isn’t someone to take his place.
Sawyer complains that his life was fine before Jacob brought them there, but Jacob interjects that they were all lost, lonely and broken, like he was.
Kate asks why she was crossed out and Jacob explains that it’s “just chalk on a wall, he crossed her out because she became a mother and the job is still open if she wants it”.
No one accepts at first, until Jack stands and says this is what he was meant to do and accepts the “job”.
Jacob explains that the light is the heart of the island and is what must be protected from extinguishing; which is what MIB wants to do.
Jack asks if they’re supposed to kill him (MIB) and Jacob says that he hopes they can.
Jacob gets a cup from Jack, says a “prayer” to the water and gives it to Jack to drink; when he does, Jacob says “Now we are the same”.



In sideways world, Locke goes to Jack and explains that maybe fate is what cause his accident and maybe Jack is supposed to fix his spine.
Jack accepts (after the uttering of a few familiar phrases).



On the island, Locke and Ben reach the well to see that Des is not there. Ben asks what it was that Widmore said to him about Desmond.
He says that Des was Jacob’s “Failsafe” in case all of his candidates were killed; but that Desmond will be useful to Locke now because Desmond can do what Locke has never been able to do, “Destroy the island”.



LOST



- Ben kills Widmore. Locke tells widmore if you tell me why you brought desmond then i wont kill your daughter. ben shots widmore because he said his daughter doesnt get to live.
- Locke kills Zoe. Slices her throat
- Jacob explains why he chose the candidates. and why kate isnt one.
- Jacob becomes visible to the 4 remaining candidates including Kate and explains this to them directly
- Jack becomes Jacob's replacement. Including a ritual where Jack drinks from a stream and Jacob says "now we are the same"
- Sayid didn't kill Desmond. all we see is an empty well with a rope
- Desmond beats up Ben in flash-sideways. Desmond beats up Ben and Ben has a flash of when he got beat in the OTM
- Locke wants Jack to fix his spine in flash-sideways. yes after he realizes this might be fate. and jack says the lines dont mistake coincidence with fate.
- Desmond turns himself in for running over Locke. Then breaks Sayid and
- Kate out of jail with the help of Ana Lucia and Hurley.
- Desmond is getting all the Oceanic 815ers to congregate at the concert.
- Richard gets slammed by the smoke, I would be shocked if he were alive
- Ben is following Flocke around after this, seems aligned with him
- Widmore reveals the purpose of Desmond, part of it is whispered to Flocke, the word "failsafe" is used
- Flocke announces his intention to "destroy the island"

Spoiler important sur l'épisode 6x16 : What they died for.


Et bien, je suis rentré il y a peu du live de Lost. c'était génial!
Dans l'ensemble, il y avait environ une vintaine d'acteurs, plus Damon et Carlton, les scenaristes et Jack bender (ndlr: le directeur et producteur executif).
L'ensemble ochestrée était génial et entendre la musique jouée en direct était un parfait point d'exclamation sur la serie.



L'avant dernier épisode a été montré dans son intégralité et j'ai pensé qu'il était génial; l'un des meilleurs de la saison jusqu'ici.
Voici les spoilers :


Dans la RA (ndlr : Réalité Altérnative), Jack se réveille avec une tache de sang familière sur son cou et va déjeuner avec David.
David s'assure que Jack ira a son concert le soir même et Jack lui dit qu'il y sera et demande si la mère de David sera là.
Jack est contacté par Oceanic lui disant que le cercueil de son père a été localisé, mais il s'avère que c'est Desmond qui est à l'autre bout du fil.
Sur l'île, Jack panse l'épaule de Kate qui se lamente sur le fait que Locke est tué Jin et Sun, et qu'ils ont une fille que Jin ne verra jamais.
Kate dit qu'ils doivent tuer Locke et Jack acquiesce.
Jack dit que si Locke veut Desmond, ils doivent le trouver en premier et (Kate, Jack, Hurley et Sawyer) se dirigent alors vers lui pour le récupérer.
Dans la RA, Desmond regarde, de sa voiture, locke descendant de son van; c'est son premier jour à l'école après s'être fait renverser.
Dans une situation semblable Desmond démarre la voiture et semble prêt à foncer sur locke à nouveau jusqu'à ce que Ben l'interrompt et l'arrête.
Desmond sort et dit qu'il ne cherchait pas à blesser Locke, mais à l'aider. Ben lui demande comment et commence à frapper Desmond; au même moment, Ben commence à avoir des éclairs de son "autre" vie.
Se remettant [de l'altercation] à l'infirmerie, Locke arrive pour s'assurer que Ben va bien et Ben raconte l'histoire à Locke qui appelle la police.
Ben l'arrête et lui dit qu'il croit Desmond quand il dit qu'il essayait de l'aider. Alex rencontre Ben en dehors de l'école et elle lui propose avec sa mère de le raccompagner chez lui.
Dans un premier temps Ben refuse, mais Rousseau insiste. De retour à leur maison après le dînner, Ben demande à Danielle ce qui est arrivé au père d'Alex.
Elle lui répond qu'il est mort quand elle avait 2 ans et c'est pourquoi Alex s'est tant rapproché de Ben; il a de l'intérêt pour elle et croit en elle et il est le père qu'elle n'a jamais eu.
Ben resta confus après cette nouvelle.


De retour sur l'île, Richard, Miles et Ben se dirigent vers la maison de ce dernier pour prendre le C4 et faire exploser l'avion.
Alors qu'au même moment, Zoé et Widmore arrive. Widmore explique qu'après l'explosion du cargot, Jacob est venu le voir et lui a dit ce qu'il devait faire.
Widmore demande à Zoé d'aller couler leur bateau et elle y allat. Widmore explique qu'il a ramené Desmond sur l'île en raison de son immunité à l'électromagnétisme.
Zoé appels sur le talki-walki expliquant que Locke est arrivé sur l'île.
Widmore lui ordonne de revenir et quand elle est en chemin Widmore leur dit qu'ils doivent se cacher dans le placard de Ben.
Miles préfère partir tandis que Ben et Richard décident de faire face à Locke; pensant qu'ils peuvent gagner du temps ou le faire partir.
Avec Widmore et Zoé dans le placard entendant marché à l'extérieure. La fumée noire frappe Richard et le jette dans les bois.
Ben s'assois et Locke s'approche et dit qu'il y a certaines personnes qu'il voudrait que Ben tue et en échange, Ben pourrait avoir le contrôl de l'île après le départ de Locke.
Ben accepte et lui dit qu'il y a Widmore et Zoé dans son placard.
Locke tranche rapidement la gorge de Zoé et dit à Widmore que s'il lui dit ce qu'il veut savoir il ne tuerait pas Penny quand il quitterait l'île.
Dans un premier temps Widmore ne semble pas lui faire confiance, mais cède et lui raconte tout à propos de Desmond. Lorsque Locke lui demande pourquoi Desmond, Widmore lui dit qu'il ne veut pas que Ben entende.
Ben se retourne et murmure quelque chose à l'oreille de Locke.
Tout à coup Ben tire à plusieurs reprise sur Widmore, et Ben expliquant qu'il (Widmore) "ne lui a pas laissé la possibilité de sauver sa fille" et demande ensuite à Locke s'il y en a d'autres à tuer.


Dans les bois, le jeune Jacob apparait à Hurley et lui demande de lui rendre ses cendres.
Il les prend et s'enfuit et Hurley le poursuit, et tombe sur Jacob adulte dans les bois autour d'un feu de camp.
Hurley ammène Jack, Kate et Sawyer à Jacob, qui peuvent le voir et communiquer avec lui maintenant.
Jacob explique qu'il a fait une erreur et que ses actions ont fait de son frère le monstre de fumée noire et il savait qu'un jour MIB trouverait un moyen de le tuer; c'est pourquoi les candidats ont été choisis s'il venait à disparaitre.
Et que c'est en protegenat l'île que les autres "ont trouvé la mort".
Il dit qu'il doit avoir un successeur avant que le feu ne s'éteignent, une fois cela fait, il est sera partit pour de bon et que "ce serait très mauvais" s'il n'y avait personne pour prendre sa place.
Sawyer se plaints que sa vie était belle avant que Jacob ne les ammène ici, mais Jacob répond qu'ils sont tous perdus, seul et brisé, comme il l'a été.
Kate lui demande pourquoi elle a été rayé et Jacob explique que c'est "juste à la craie sur un mur, il l'a rayé parce qu'elle est devenue mère mais la place est toujours vacante si elle veut".
Personne n'accepte dans un premier temps, puis Jack se lève et dit que c'est ce qu'il veut faire et accepte le "poste".
Jacob explique que la lumière est le coeur de l'île et qu'elle doit être protégée de l'extinction; ce que MIB veut faire.
Jack lui demande s'ils sont censés le tuer (MIB) et Jacob dit qu'il espère qu'ils le peuvent.
Jacob sort une tasse pour Jack, prononce une "prière" à l'eau et la donne à Jack pour qu'il la boive; lorsque c'est fait, Jacob dit : "Maintenant, nous sommes les mêmes".


Dans la RA, Locke va voir Jack et explique que peut être le destin a provoqué l'accident et peut être que Jack est supposé réparer sa colonne vertébrale.
Jack accepte (après avoir échangé quelques familiarités)


Sur l'île, Locke et Ben arrivent au puits et voient que Desmond n'y est plus. Ben demande ce que Widmore lui à dit à propos de Desmond.
Il dit que Desmond était la "sécurité" de Jacob dans le cas où tous les candidats serait tués; mais que Desmond sera utile à Locke maintenant parce que Desmond peut faire ce que Locke n'a jamais été capable de faire, "Détruire l'île".

LOST



- Ben tue Widmore: Locke dit à Widmore si il lui dit pourquoi il a rammené Desmond il ne tuera pas sa fille. Ben tire sur Widmore parce qu'il dit qu'il n'a pas laissé vivre sa fille.
- Locke tue Zoé: il lui tranche la gorge.
- Jacob explique pourquoi il a choisi les candidats, et pourquoi kate n'en est pas une.
- Jacob devient visible pour les 4 candidats restant, y compris Kate et s'explique à eux directement.
- Jack devient le remplaçant de Jacob. Après un rituel où Jack bois dans une coupe, Jacob dit: "Maintenant nous sommes les mêmes".
- Sayid n'a pas tué Desmond. Tout ce qu'il y a c'est un puits vide avec une corde.
- Desmond se bat avec Ben dans la RA. Desmond le bat et Ben a un flash de quand il s'est battu sur l'île.
- Locke veut que Jack lui répare sa colonne vertébrale dans la RA. Après avoir réalisé que ce pourrait être le destin. Et Jack dit qu'il ne faut pas ocnfondre coïcidence et destin.
- Desmond part dans la direction opposé de Locke.
- Kate est sortie de prison à l'aide d'Ana Lucia et Hurley.
- Desmond appelle tous les passagers de l'Oceanics afin de les rassembler au concert.
- Richard se fait ejecter pas la fumée noire, "je serai choqué s'il était encore vivant".
- Ben suit Locke après cela, il semble qu'il se joint à lui.
- Widmore révèle l'utilité de Desmond, une partie est chuchoter à Locke et le mot "sécurité" est utilisé.
- Locke annonces son intention de "détruire l'île".

Some quick notes on the content:

- First 10 minutes of podcast are talking about 'Across the Sea', addressing indirectly the debate over the episode, and confirming they will record an audio commentary for the program.
- DINOSAUR SEX!
- Confirm that the 'alternate endings' on Kimmel will be fun and, depending on your sense of humor, funny.
- They didn't address mothers because they were afraid they were going to get hit in the head with rocks.

Questions:
- The first word he mumbles is 'Button', not Boone or Prune.
- There is a difference between direct action and indirect action.
- The smoke monster did not kill Gary Troup. But he would have.
- They avoid making a direct answer to a question if the water in the temple was the same as the water in the cave.
- The turtle on the beach was more luck than planning, but is a wink to Stephen King.
- There is a discussion about drawstrings, and when they were invented.
- Damon is evil, Carlton is good. They do the podcast in separate locations, and Damon is in Portugal. They may make up before the end of the podcast, and Chris asks "Make Out?", knowing he can't get fired.
- The favorite podcast is where they just cracked up, and the mothers episode where they tried to woo Sawyer were their favorite.

And the shocking revelation at the end of the podcast:
There is no Damon. Like Fight Club.

Only real spoiler is that water is important in the finale and that the big mythology questions are over. Oh, and they give out the episode title 'What They Died For'.